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    M.2 NVMe to SATA converter

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Gudi, Jul 18, 2016.

  1. Gudi

    Gudi Notebook Consultant

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    Hi guys

    Can anyone recommend any m.2 sata converter who supports NVMe drives?

    I'm upgrading my Precision 5510's standard PM951 disk with a SM961 and afterward my brothers Precision 7510.

    I tried with two different converters at my local IT store, none worked.

    Also tries to place the disks in my NUC Skull which has two m.2 slots - the disks shows in bios, but my Acronis bootable image is missing NVMe drivers.

    I've found this, but only as its name contain NVMe:
    DeLOCK Converter SATA 22 pin / SFF-8643 NVMe > 1 x M.2 NGFF Key M + 1 x M.2 NGFF Key B

    Can't find any USB3 m.2 converter, and no other threads here.

    Not sure if I'll be able to use Samsungs migration tool with any adapters/converter - but if I simply get the disk to show in Windows - I'll manage ;)

    Hope someone has a good idea ;)
     
  2. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    I've got one of these on order. It can then be plugged into a USB C to USB 3 adaptor. That's my theory but it will be another month before I can advise if it works.

    John
     
  3. Gudi

    Gudi Notebook Consultant

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    Gudi Notebook Consultant

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    Well... The DeLock NVMe adapter/converter was no success either - I'll write them tomorrow...

    The light on the adapter is on at the "D.2-M.2 / PCI-e I/F Power"

    I've tried with three different Sata to USB adapters - as show on the images. Capricorn, Logilink and one Sandberg.
    The other M.2 adapter is the first nine NVMe I tried.

    Starting to think that one needs to clone to a USB, boot from USB and clone back to the new internal M.2. This feels like a joke.

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  5. Starlight5

    Starlight5 Yes, I'm a cat. What else is there to say, really?

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    @Gudi while your experiment is certainly of value to community, for solving your problem clean OS install should be the fast and hassle-free solution.
     
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  6. Gudi

    Gudi Notebook Consultant

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    Can't argue with that ;) However I'm so tired of running around with an extra USB disk, to store my data on. And I've got some swapping planned, and had hoped this could ease it.

    My plan is to;
    1. Swap 512GB PM951 with 1GB PM951 in my Precision 5510
    2. When I get the 1GB SM961 I want to swap the 1GB in the Precision (again)
    3. Then I have an old 840 msata with a m.2 converter in my NUC Skull, I wan't to replace with the 512GB PM951, as it takes up so much space, that I cant have two M.2's installed
    4. Lastely I'll add the 1GB PM951 in the skull

    End result: Precision with SM961 and NUC Skull with both PM951 512GB and 1GB.

    However now that it has taken 1½ month, I might just wait for the SM961 and do a fresh install. But both my Precision and NUC are running so smooth, really don't wanna start all over in both cases :(.

    Being a community is about sharing ;) Just hope we're able to find a good solution.
     
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  7. Gudi

    Gudi Notebook Consultant

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    DeLock says the adapter only works over the SSF-8643 port - NOT sata :(
     
  8. alexhawker

    alexhawker Spent Gladiator

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    That's 1 TB, right?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  9. Gudi

    Gudi Notebook Consultant

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    Hehe ;) TB and not GB of course...
     
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  10. Gudi

    Gudi Notebook Consultant

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    Hi guys

    Just an update on how I got my NVMe drive cloned;
    - I ended up buying a Samsung T3 1TB external usb drive
    - Installed http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx and used the free version to clone my NVMe to the USB
    - Created a Rescue Media with Reflect to an USB stick
    - Shut down and swapped 512GB internal NVMe to new 1TB NVMe drive
    - Booted on the USB Rescue Media
    - Cloned the T3 USB drive to the new NVMe drive
    - Rebooted (first reboot Windows ran some repair, didn't take but a few second and then a reboot)

    Cloning in Windows was a lot faster then in PE, but it got the job done.

    Up'n'running
     
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  11. Daye_adapter

    Daye_adapter Newbie

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    This adapter has two functions. The first one is M.2 NVMe (PCIe interface) to SFF-8643 converter. The 2nd one is M.2 SATA to SATA 7+15 pin converter.
    If you install M.2 NVMe SSD on the converter + SATA cable. It doesn't work. No matter you link USB again.
    If you install M.2 NVMe SSD on the converter + SFF-8643 cable. It can work and speed to 32Gbps.

    If you want to clone your M.2 SSD into USB, you must find the adapter is M.2 NVMe to USB.
    you can find it on the market.
     
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    The card can work on SATA, but only M.2 SATA SSD, not NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD.
     
  13. hoofhearted

    hoofhearted Notebook Evangelist

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    Has anyone found an nvme to usb adapter yet? albeit slow performance, but a one-time slow performance task of cloning in one pass.
     
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    Nothing that I've come across.

    Your alternative for cloning is to use software which lets you make a backup image onto an external storage device (if you haven't got an external HDD then it's time to get one for your backups) and then restore that image onto the new SSD. Some people have recommended Macrium Reflect for this purpose although I've never used it.

    John
     
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    hoofhearted Notebook Evangelist

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    I actually have a Thunderbolt 3 on my laptop. I tried searching for something going that route, but the only thing I could find was an enclosure for $249 ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01K5Z13I2) and a pcie card for $20 ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01798WOJ0). To me this seems way to overpriced, especially being that esata, usb3.1, etc followed this same trend, historically. I'll just do it in two passes like John suggested. Downloading Macrium Free version.
     
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    I'm still looking for a modern nvme to usb converter myself. I dupe a number of drives and while usb isn't as fast it would be much more convenient for me.
     
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    Hello.

    Funnily enough, I am trying to extract some data from the same Samsung M.2 SSD as in these pictures. The drive was replaced under warranty and I need to take some old files off it.

    Can anyone advise whether the setup described here would work for recovering data? My understanding is that, according to DeLock's website, NVMe drives can only be enabled and accessed when connected via the SFF-8643 interface.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. Speed and data transfer rates are not an issue as I only need to recover data.

    Thanks.
     
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    Where can I buy the SFF-8643 & SATA 7 + 15 pin to M.2 Key SSD Adapter?
     
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    This unit does not support NVMe m.2 shows it on the webpage at the bottom for the 1st link you show... try again.

    On another note I have succesfully cloned a Samsung 960 PRO NVMe M.2 512GB SSD to a Samsung 950 Pro SSD 2.5 Sata by using the open source clone software Clonezilla Live 2.5.2.31 i686. I used the tutorial from the following video.

     
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    Quite confused... Already that what we're all trying to achieve is quite confusing too... I thought that the Samsung 950 is coming in a M.2 form factor only and is PCIE nVME and not in a 2.5" form factor under SATA interface...

    I think we all try to achieve the same thing here.... Trying to clone our small capacity SSD M.2 nVME to a newer and larger one. Another thing confusing (assuming you guys are using Samsung based SSD M.2 nVME) is that their 'Samsung SSD Data Migration v.3.1 -user manual-' states that "you may need a separate M.2 PCIe/USB converter (connector) to connect an NVMe SSD".
    Hurray!!! or maybe not... Like you guys I'm ending up here asking the same question... were the hell can we find a M.2 PCIe/USB converter to connect our new 1TB 960 M.2 nVME SSD into an M.2 PCIe/USB converter so we can perform the cloning process from our oldish 256 GB (gasp) 951 M.2 nVME...

    Anyone successful on that end for the adapter approach or the only way is to perform the 3 way process? ghosting to external hdd or large USB memory stick with a 3rd party software, swap the SSD and image ghost into the new swapped SSD.
     
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  23. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    I'm with Starlight5 on this issue (from his post a year and a half ago...). Even a 'successful' solution to this thread will be less satisfying than a clean install with current O/S and current, up-to-date drivers and software. ;)

     
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